They told us that they'd found the body. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr.. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. Or it's in the car. The project took a tragic turn and became a catalyst for legal change when Zachary didn't live to see it. TVTropes is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. Fans loved all of the drama this couple had, on the show so let's hope season three brings just as much heat! will not hurt Zachary, period. However, as events transpired, the focus shifted to the incompetence of the Canadian courts in keeping Turner behind bars, as well as the plight of Bagby's parents, David and Kate, as they battled to get custody of the last remnant of their slain son. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' In January 2003, the Canadian appeals court ordered her freed while the extradition case moved forward. David was taking pictures, Kate says. get in there, if that's what she demanded. Snow. So far, nothing has changed - but continuing the legal battle helps give David and Kate the strength to carry on. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. Get help and learn more about the design. Source: Kate Griffith/Instagram, David Benavidez/Instagram. Kate and David thus lose their son and grandson to the same evil womanand the former might still be alive today had the court system not let Shirley walk free. She then murders said grandson in a murder-suicide. She pulled herself together and called David, then a technical writer at Ditech Networks in Mountain View. This is a heartbreaking book written about Andrew Bagby and also about his son Zachary by Andrew's dad David Bagby. On November 3, 2001, he broke up with Turner at the airport before putting her on a plane back to Council Bluffs, 1,300 miles away. Late the next night, Turner put Zachary in a car and drove in intermittent heavy rain from St. Johns to Kelligrews on the Atlantic Ocean. It was a congloption, Kate says of the menu. Their bodies were later washed up on a beach. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on June 16, 2016. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? I think it was supposed to be just a brief college romance, says Kurt Kuenne, Andrews close friend since first grade at St. Andrews School in Saratoga. For David, of course, there is the book, but there is also the caldron of emotion that refuses to let him rest until hes sure hes done all he can to prevent others from going through what he and Kate have endured. Shirley's message of "Mommy loves you" to Zachary is replayed following, Shirley Turner not only never sees justice for Andrew's murder, but by. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. Was she lying? Unidentified Man #21: (Talking in group) I know. Ultimately, the Bagbys desire to be with Zachary, the one they loved the most, required them to cooperate with Turner, the one they despised the most. I read on Netflix it's best you know nothing about the story, and that is so true. Turner had mentioned the possibility to David months earlier in a rambling telephone conversation. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. Then, on August 16, six weeks before Turner was to appear in court, the Bagbys went with her and Zachary to a swimming pool. There are so many questions raised:why was there no psychological profile done on Turner as she awaited trial?Why did child protection services not do their job and protect ( or even follow closely) Zachary? Shes Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale, she explains. What terrible conditions he came into this world under, Kate says. It took a series of calls, but Kate eventually heard the words she so feared. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. Reviewed in the United States on October 1, 2022. One of the best books that I have ever read. (Trailer park; parking lot; water; Kurt on boat; excerpts from "Dear Zachary"; houses seen through rainy window; Kate and Zachary). Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. The Hornet was just back from patrolling the coast of Vietnam. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. Neither speaks for the other. I dont know.. Like everyone elses mom, I guess.. In the beginning, Kate did not pursue any romantic relationshipswith the single menin the house, but David almost immediately started flirting with the single women. There was a problem loading your book clubs. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. This sad tale tells how slowly justice moved and failed to protect an innocent year old child. Lifes ability to hand us the unbearable is matched only by the ability of the human spirit to somehow handle it. He rarely posts on his private Instagram, so there's very little information about what his life has looked like after the show. You Have Been Warned). This is a fascinating,horrific and humbling read. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yes, ma'am, I am. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. I just would love to see them enjoy regular life again, too, as much as possible. "We never expected it. Eventually, David and Kate broke up for good. When another man scorns her during this time, she kills herself and the baby, all to the horror of Andrew's parents. Do you understand? Shortly after being taken into custody, Turner announced that she was pregnant with Andrew's child, a boy she named Zachary. As the Bagbys settled into their renewed life, Turner pursued an appeal of her November jailing. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. (Talking in group) This is not about money. was tragically killed by his mother, and thusjust like his fatherthe rest of the film focuses on the impact of his death. It was the last time the Bagbys would see Zachary. It was part of a pattern summarized in the Canadian governments investigative report: Dr. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). In Canada, extradition involves a number of complex steps. "We had to do something to channel our rage and sorrow," he says. Andrews said he was inspired to act two years ago when he saw the documentary film Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in . It gets a bit bogged down in legal tedium. Do not get me wrong: it is a ver emotional history with a real case but I am not sure to have a book about it and I think that the family deserves respect. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. I got to go to the trial. David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. But how? to let out hints that Shirley Turner was the prime suspect. The reality was almost too much to comprehend. Is it OK? He said, `What can happen?'. Their relationship with the woman who killed their son was unimaginable. "I will never forget that phone conversation as long as I live," says the former nurse, 66, who is originally from Rochester, Kent. a month after 30 days. I may be in Fantasyland. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Chart: Bay Area rainfall totals for this week, Contact Mike Cassidy at mcassidy@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5536. And he's like, `I'm not looking for anything serious. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. We decided we have to go to Canada to watch the trial and we have to go to make sure the baby gets a good start, David says. This provision has a good chance of causing judges and prosecutors to fix what got Zachary killed.". Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. Some of her earliest memories are watching Survivor with her family and having everyone show off their best Jeff Probst impersonation. Shortly after Andrew's death, his friend Kurt Kuenne had started to a make a documentary about the murder, asking friends and family to share their memories of Andrew. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. He said he had a couple of English nurses who wanted to go to Disneyland. I didn't have. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' They sometimes visited with Zachary and Turner as if nothing had happened. then one day I realized what it was. Once, she called him 30 times while he was at a pal's wedding. I read this book in a single day on 2 airplanes several months ago. Though David and Kate ultimately did not find their happy ending on Temptation Island, they both seem to be in a better place since the show aired. The first time I had to go into a room with her, David says. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. He said, `What can happen?'. It pains me to award only two stars to a book written by David Bagby, but I want to use the Goodreads' ranking system more accurately. "When people have seen Dear Zachary, they gasp," says David. Both of them were victims of murder. This is an amazing true story that waswell, not conveyed with the same fiery delivery seen in the film "Dear Zachary". Some months ago I watched the documentary, "Dear Zachery" on Netflix. Anything to be with Zachary, Kate says. thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna. After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. The ending was so shocking, I was screaming with David Bagby That bitch! show takes four couples who are having trouble. Extensive research, law proceedings are all included as well as other crimes that happened while the story takes place.Excellent read. Take a look at Kate and her new love below: In addition to her thriving love life, Kate also created a brand called Spread the Love, which sells clothing and beauty items. I knew, exactly what my son looked at before he died. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. Canadian authorities arrested Turner in early December 2001, but fatefully, released her on bail as she waited for a series of decisions regarding Pennsylvanias request for extradition. Elsewhere in St. Johns, T.J. Shears, who first reported his mother and Zachary missing, was suffering his own devastation. While keeping a matter-of-fact tone throughout the book, bursts of emotion break through and you can really feel the pain that the Bagby's went through. The watch was continued after a more comprehensive psychological exam. (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 31, 2022, Great story with a big shocker i didnt see coming. 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They had tapped into their retirement accounts to get by. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. "With Andrew gone and then Zachary gone, we didn't give a damn about putting up a Christmas tree or lights outside or any of that stuff," Bagby said from their home in Gilroy, about 30 kilometres south of San Jose. Kate, with her lovely British accent, moves between dry wit and devastating regret as she remembers. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. "They are appalled and outraged.". Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 12, 2018, Reviewed in the United Kingdom on September 28, 2017. If both parties dont recognize that, he says, then youve got trouble.. Inspired by his mother's tales of interesting medical cases and wonderful patients, Andrew decided he would be a doctor. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. For the Bagbys, Zacharys birth was the start of more than a year of renewed joy and incomprehensible pain. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? This book is more about how the justice system failed and 2 more people are dead because of it. KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. The couple are still coping with the murders of their son and grandson. We finally got a baby.. One credit a month to pick any title from our entire premium selection yours to keep (you'll use your first credit now). Mr. BAGBY: Yes. Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? ", Audience Relations, CBC P.O. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. But two months later, that would change, after Shirley appealed, again to be released on bail. Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Do not meet her in private.' It is scary and shocking and I found myself admiring them in a way I have admired few and wondering how they managed to go on. Nor do the memories, starting with the Nov. 6, 2001, phone call. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. "All I could say was: 'My son is dead? So, be prepared., The emotion that was shown was beyond description, really, Snow says. I became very emotional with this horrifying tale of injustice. The Bagbys were confident Turner would be returned to Pennsylvania for trial in a matter of weeks. thoughts, his wife sees something that rocks her to the core. The Bagbys and their grandchild were living in a cramped apartment. Zachary Andrew Turner was born July 18, 2002. Kate and David remember that Andrew was born late. But he could not get rid of her.. Would dismantling Interstate 980 repair damage to Black neighborhoods? Mr. BAGBY: Shirley killed Andrew. IE 11 is not supported. The book is not written as a narrative, with suspense building until we find out what eventually takes place. MORRISON: But then things changed. How could Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale have anything to do with murder? One day he walked into the electronics shop where David worked. I only live a block away.' KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. Even before the ultimate tragic end,I strongly felt that it was a crime within itself that that woman had that defenceless child. I'm tired of this. After seeing the documentary about this case, "Dear Zachary," I was itching to get my hands on this book. Please try again. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! It's great. Shirley. The Bagbys couldnt imagine a darker moment than their sons November 2001 murder. The Fridays he and a classmate from Bellarmine College Preparatory would come home early and fix dinner in that kitchen. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. Kate reacted with tremendous grief.. 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