Standing next to him was a man wearing a brown suitcoat. Oversized boxes were also seen by Joe Bergin, Jr. when he visited his father at the 411 Elm Street building. I found it very, very difficult to talk about these things that I think ought to be talked about, very difficult. [3], Actually, the move took place a few months before the assassination. Mr. CORNWELL - Do you recall whether or not you used that in the process of looking through the 30-day book you described? Glazes meetings with Shelley were therefore not at the Ambassador Row facility, as I originally believed, but rather they occurred at the building on Gemini Lane. There was a lot of excitement going on at the station after the Kennedy assassination. Mr. WILCOTT - That is correct, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, it has been difficult because people don't want to get involved, and people were scared. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir; it was a cryptonym that I was familiar with, that it must have been at least two or three occasions that I had remembered it and it did ring a bell, yes. Dr. King was killed by one rifle shot fired from in front of him. Shelleys claim that he was an intelligence officer would make sense if, as an ROTC lieutenant, he received intelligence training and perhaps even given some assignments in counterespionage. It was a guard-type function at the station, which I worked for overtime. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Why did you wait five years? Enclosed is a copy of the response from G. Robert Blakey, Chief Counsel and Director of the Select Committee on Assassinations. Do you solemnly swear that the evidence you are about to give before this subcommittee will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? phone, and hang up, and I would get notes written in snow or my windshield and I had slips of paper left under my, windshield and this sort of thing. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Would your Counsel identify himself for the recorder? Mr. DODD - Did anyone else at the Agency know of your views at the Agency and did you communicate with other people about your dissatisfaction? Mr. DODD - I am just a little confused, I guess, over your reaction. Mr. SCHAAP - Excuse me. Mr. GOLDSMITH - At the time that this allegation first came to your attention, did you discuss it with anyone? EXECUTIVE SESSION
Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, they did. During a phone conversation, he told me that he had a letter that mentioned Shelley joining the CIA. 359-360, 386-387. Mr. WILCOTT - Anything they had there would have -- sometimes they used as many as two or three different cryptonyms and they would have -- it all depended on how far they wanted to isolate it from the original source, from the original source as to where the project was run. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Were there any other times during your stay with the CIA at XXXXXXXXXX Station that you came across information that Oswald had been a CIA agent? Mr. DODD - When you were told all of this? We publish here the Wilcott affidavit and interrogation by the HSCA, declassified by the Assassination Records Review Board. As a CIA employee, Wilcott stated under oath that many people told him that Lee Harvey Oswald was an agent of the CIA after the assassination had occurred. After standing on the front steps to see the shooting of the president, Frazier did something odd, about which he seemed to contradict himself about in an interview with the Sixth Floor Museum in 2013. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes sir. I had been involved at one point with a group civil rights group, and they had investigated it and said that there was no wrongdoing on my part as far a this association with the civil rights group. He had keen interests in history and weather, and much of his writing related to these. We appreciate that, and if at, any time you think of any further way in which your testimony can be corroborated or the name of any other CIA man or any record or anything of that sort that might be available we hope you will get in touch with us and let us know about it. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What is that opinion? This was preparing and reconciling payrolls. During this same time, I also met and spoke with relevant employees who later worked for Lee Harvey Oswalds supervisor after the assassination of President Kennedy. Two retired Sexton officials told me that they moved out of the building on November 14, 1961, and that it remained vacant for at least a year. This book provides the first useful, in-depth analysis of the 120 phone calls by LBJ in the week following the assassination regarding such items as the Civil Rights Act, demands made by the military and similar political power plays. 66-67. [26] FBI report of Oswald at the police station, Warren Report, p. 619. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, he mentioned the cryptonym specifically under which the money was drawn. Occupation of the building during the summer of 1963 could be a first step in a planning stage. Mary Lea Williams, a receptionist for Allyn & Bacon, said the move occurred two or three years before the assassination. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - It is based on the principle that only those persons who are involved in a project or involved in operation -- and even things that would not seem to be at all in any way secret -- only those people should know about, it and nobody else should know about it, and that was a "need-to-know" basis
Mr. GOLDSMITH - When was that? Mr. DODD - And you and your wife both went to work for the CIA about the same time? Thank you for your letter. It has been directed to the Deputy Chief Counsel in charge of the investigation for his review. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. If you should need to contact me, you may do so in care of the Lubbock Avalanche Journal newspaper in Lubbock, Tx. Mr. WILCOTT - To the best of my recollection, yes. Apparently, work at the book depository was not so demanding as to preclude these forays into military, law enforcement, or intelligence organizations. (Its address, I later learned, was 11310 Gemini Lane.) Which seems to be an odd premise, especially since, as Jerry Rose pointed out in his article, Important to Hold that Man there were at least 14 people missing from the building at the time; and they would not return until 1:30 PM. [26], Pierce Allman, a local newsman, later said that after he approached the TSBD, a man he recalled as Oswald near the front of the building, directed him to a phone inside.[27]. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Well, if I understand your correctly, then, you answer now was somewhat different from what you testified earlier. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, you did. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you know whether CIA Headquarters would have had either copies or originals of the cash disbursement files? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Would those summaries be destroyed as a matter of routine, to your knowledge? [23] William Weston, Robert MacNeil and the Three Calm Men, in the November 1994 issue of The Fourth Decade. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, it is. According to one of the FBI reports of the first interrogation of Oswald in the Dallas homicide office: OSWALD stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees lunch room. On October 5, 1986, Elsie Wilcott died of cancer. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And, Mr. Wilcott, is it true that you are a former employee with the CIA and that you are here today testifying voluntarily without a subpoena? [3] Telephone interviews of Campbell March 19, 1994; Jones, March 19, 1994; Williams, April 4, 1994; Garner, August 14, 1999. He said he went back inside and went into the basement for ten minutes, supposedly eating his lunch.[25]. He passed away on November 15, 2019, after a fall causing brain injury. Spaulding Jones, former branch manager of MacMillan, said they moved in around 1957 or 1958. I did not pay attention to this at the time. Mr. PREYER - That was shop talk, speculation, I gather; people were saying that the CIA is somehow connected with it. Mr. WILCOTT - I think it must have been two or three omths (sic) after the assassination. According to former CIA finance officer James B. Wilcotts testimony before the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), Lee Harvey Oswald was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work, for doing CIA operational work.[1] A memorandum by Warren Commission general counsel J. Lee Rankin said that Oswalds CIA payroll number was 110669. (3) if there is/was an Alternative Information Network in Austin, or if Kellner and Morrow are real persons and remember receiving the letter. Mr. WILCOTT - My. He refused to let me quote him or use his name in print. In the closing paragraphs of his 1977 letter, he wrote, "I must admit that my own fear of getting involved in the investigation has prevented me from writing you earlier. Mr. Shelly claims to have been an intelligence officer during World War II and thereafter joined the CIA. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, when the officer told you -- strike that. Three of the seven boxes appear in a photograph in his book. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. All that I knowand the attending dead endswere passed along to a researcher and author in Dallas a few years ago. Mr. WILCOTT - Not that I know of. On many occasions he had conversations with CIA personnel concerning Lee Harvey Oswald's employment as a CIA agent. Consider the following letter: Re: THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY, While working as a journalist in Dallas late in 1974 and early 1975, I met and spoke with Lee Harvey Oswalds supervisor at the Texas School Book Depository in Dallas, Texas. House of Representatives, John F. Kennedy Subcommittee of the Select Committee on Assassinations, Washington, D. C. Mr. WILCOTT - It has been 15 years, and I can't remember specifically who said what, but certainly I am sure that Jerry Fox, for instance, had at least made some mention of it. Mr. DODD - You liked him? Did he say to you, "I think Oswald was a CIA agent," or did that first person say to you that he was a CIA agent? Strange Deaths Of People Who Knew Too Much About The JFK Assassination: 92 Witnesses, Researchers, CIA Agents, Police Officers, Reporters, Girlfriends Who Just Knew Way Too Much! Mr. SCHAAP - Do you mean, how many people who were in the CIA or how many people in the general population? Mr. WILCOTT - That he was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work for doing CIA operational work. [5] Interviews of Ted Leon and Thomas H. Butler. Like Frazier, who was eating lunch in the basement, Oswald went to the first-floor lunchroom to eat his lunch. Redemption links and eBooks cannot be resold. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - They never revealed that to me, sir, as far as their relations with Oswald. Mr. GOLDSMITH - But as a matter of routine, would the CIA cash disbursement files refer to the cryptonym of either the person or the project that is receiving funds? Mr. WILCOTT - Most of the people were involved in the civil rights movement or in the antiwar movement in 1968. John P. Horton, XXXXXXXXX Section; XXXXXXXXXXXXX Branch; and Chester Ito, XXXXXXXXX Branch; and Kan Takai, XXXXX Branch; and Jim Delaney, China Branch; and Bob Rentner, SR Branch -- and there is some question about that, the branch he was with. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, in a speculative manner. Mr. SAWYER - When you refer to Oswald as an agent, you are referring to the extent you have -- as an agent as opposed to a paid informer, in effect? [19] Immediately after Adams and Styles went out the back door, Officer Marion Baker came in through the front door and met Roy Truly. Mr. WILCOTT - In December of 1975, in the little magazine called The Pelican at the University of California, and an interview was conducted by a reporter from that magazine. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. James Earl Ray fired one shot at Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Upon request, the National Archives sent me a copy of the letter. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you have any knowledge of any record of the CIA at the XXXXXXXX Station ever being destroyed out of the ordinary course of business, not as a matter of routine? Mr. PREYER - I would like before we begin to read a written statement concerning the subject of the investigation. I am a reporter there. I talked to reporters from various papers, and I talked to people in other forms of meetings, and to me it is not surprising at all. My next call was to the Alternative Information Network founded by Doug Kellner and Frank Morrow. Mr. GOLDSMITH - excuse me, just answer the question very generally, without referring to anything right now, and please describe generally what your responsibilities were as a finance officer. Mr. WILCOTT - Surely, sir. Mr. GOLDSMITH - How did you know, in 1963, what type of security precautions the Warren Commission had for conducting its investigation? suspicious that many of the other things that happened may have had as its source the CIA. Just as in the case of Carolyn Arnold and Roy Truly, the strange menace that Glaze encountered in early 1975 continued to follow him through the course of his life. And their security that there is in the Government didn't strike me as the kind of security that would keep me from getting attacked in some way, if someone wanted to do it. Mr. WILCOTT - My wife and I came to believe that what CIA was doing couldn't be reconciled to basic principles of democracy or basic principles of humanism. Mr. CORNWELL - It is your testimony, as I understand it, the first time that you spoke about the Oswald agency matter outside of the CIA was after you left the CIA; is that correct? My address is 2761 Atlantic Street, in Concord, and my occupation is electronic technician. In 1974, I met a person who says she was at that time working for Bill Schelly, who says he was Lee Harvey Oswalds superior at the time of the assassination. Mr. PREYER - I understand this might be a good place for us to break and go and vote, so that we will take another recess for about ten minutes. Mr. WILCOTT - No. Mr. CORNWELL - What year was that? These companies were part of a complex system involving: (a) the state legislature, which purchased textbooks through a process called adoption, (b) the publishers, who were responsible for maintaining sufficient reserves, (c) the book depositories, which received the books, stored them, and shipped them out as needed to schools around the state. 25-26. Mr. CORNWELL - What routinely was done with such note pads? Two weeks later, he wrote back: Received your letter of July 7, 1999. For example, Joes father had to clear visitors with Roy Truly, the building manager, even though they were top executives from the company headquarters in Chicago. According to this person, shortly after going to work for Bill Schelly, she & another new employee were subjected to some rather odd questioning when considering they were hired as clerks. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir, I did. James B. Wilcott worked for the CIA from May of 1957 to April of 1966. I called the number of the Avalanche Journal in Lubbock, Texas and got the personnel director. The specific incident was soon after the Kennedy assassination, where an agent, a Case Officer -- I am sure it was a Case Officer -- came up to my window to draw money, and he specifically said in the conversation that ensued, he specifically said, "Well, Jim, the money that I drew the last couple of weeks ago or so was money," either Mr. WILCOTT - No, I don't. I think we ought to state that the record shows that Mr. Sawyer is a member of the Kennedy Subcommitte Preyer. Mr. WILCOTT - I have been trying to talk about this thing and other things for the last ten years. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Upon your memory and the list that your brought with you today, will you tell the Committee the names of the CIA Case Officers who you remember working XXXXXXXXXX in 1963? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. He is loved and will always be remembered by his wife Sylvia Glaze, daughter Hailey Glaze, and sister, brothers, nieces, nephews and friends. Mr. WILCOTT - I resigned. Dave -- I can't remember his last name, Deputy Chief of the China Branch; and then a person whose last name was XXXXXXXXX in the XXXXXXXXX Branch. I then proceeded to write an article called The Glaze Letters for the May 1999 issue of Jerry Roses JFK assassination research journal called The Fourth Decade. The incident interested me enough to question the F.B.I. After failing to get anywhere, I let the matter sit for six years. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you have anything to add in response to that question? I have no further questions. In late 1977, while working as a reporter for the Avalanche-Journal newspaper in Lubbock, Texas, I submitted written testimony to the United States House of Representatives newly-formed Select Committee on Assassinations. (Whereupon, a brief recess was taken.) His father died on November 2, 1990. Mr. SAWYER - Were there any other instances of harassment? Mr. WILCOTT - Well, my tires were slashed and damage done to my car and I believe sugar poured in the gas tank, and whether this was actually CIA or not I have no way of knowing, and it could also have been just for harassment as a result of antiwar activities but I think there is also a possibility that it could have been attempts to intimidate me into talking about the CIA. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And have you just described one of those instances to us? Considering the far-reaching extent of control over so many occupations in American society, the CIA could very well have infiltrated the schoolbook depositories and their associated publishers. Mr. CORNWELL - You had signed a secrecy oath while you were employed with the Agency? Afterwards, she, her husband, and their child quickly disappeared. Mr. WILCOTT - Did you vote for President Kennedy? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you prepare such a list? The memo said that Oswalds FBI informant number was S172 and that his CIA number was 110669. [22] And this likely included coaxing Shelly and Lovelady into making an ersatz trip across the street to the railroad yards before their return to the TSBD, which is now when they said they saw Styles and Adams. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I have nothing further, Mr. Chairman. Mr. PREYER - The committee will resume. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And would he corroborate your observation that Oswald was an agent? Mr. WILCOTT - I don't confirm any of them except with the community renewal program as coming from there and I am. Mr. WILCOTT - It is a little bit east of Oakland, California. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you have a personal opinion as to how or for what purpose the CIA might have handled any projects that involved Lee Harvey Oswald? Mr. CORNWELL - However, I take it from the fact that, as you describe it, it wasn't always applied, that occasionally you did learn something about the identities of the persons or projects that the cryptonyms referred to; is that correct? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you remember which of these individuals if any, made the specific allegation or reference that Oswald was an agent? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I did. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Customer Reviews, including Product Star Ratings help customers to learn more about the product and decide whether it is the right product for them. Mr. CORNWELL - Did you -- at the time you made the decision to discuss outside of the Agency this matter, did you focus on the secrecy oath problem? Copyright 2016-2022 by kennedysandking.com All Rights Reserved. [13] Henry Hurt, Reasonable Doubt (New York: Holt, Rinehart, and Winston, 1985), pp. What it was is hard to guess. Did you want to do this or intend to proceed with that line of questioning? Mr. GOLDSMITH - I realize this is testimony 15 years after the fact. Mr. WILCOTT - Not directly, no, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - I may have, sir, and I can't remember. JFK Assassination : The James B. Wilcott Files And The CIA Oswald Project: An Investigative Report. Using your mobile phone camera - scan the code below and download the Kindle app. Last modified on Sunday, 10 November 2019 23:45, The JFK Assassination Decoded: Two Reviews, Malcolm X's Family to File $100 Million Wrongful Death Lawsuit, Alleging Cover-up of His Murder, A Personal Encounter with the Warren Commission, JFK Medical Betrayal: Where The Evidence Lies by Russell Kent, Whitney, the Ambassador, and Batista's Tax Break for Freeport Sulphur , The Wilcott Affidavit and Interrogation by the HSCA. He claims the charges were dropped, but he stated that he turned away several newspapers and magazines offering huge amounts of money for his personal account of the assassination. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Assuming that Oswald was an agent for the CIA, would the agency's cash disbursement files have referred to either Oswald or to his cryptonym? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - It was right at my window, my disbursing cage window. Present: Representatives Preyer (presiding), Dodd and Sawyer. It was not until 1999 that I spoke to someone who could solve this apparent discrepancy. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, is your testimony then that even though. Mr. WILCOTT - That is true, sir. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did this Case Officer tell you what Oswald's cryptonym was? Well, they would go through the files and take out anything that they thought was, say, indicative of how this flap occurred and change the files. She planned to wear it that Friday evening at a social gathering. [2] Midnight/Globe, February 14, 1978. Did you recognize any part of it, the first two letters or the last portions of it, as referring to any geographic area or any type of activity or anything like that? We appreciate your being here today, Mr. Wilcott. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Who were your friends that you discussed this with? (SIG) in CIA Counterintelligence held a 201 file on Oswald in the three years prior to JFK's assassination. Mine was a happenstance meeting and short, casual friendship with a man who appeared to have fallen through the cracks. The incident occurred in about 1969. There were, as I recall, three men there, all I think in shirt sleeves. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you have any personal knowledge that any records at CIA Headquarters were ever destroyed? Mr. WILCOTT - All of the people that we mentioned in the case. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. SAWYER - What did he do -- anything? [7] Through some insider intrigue, a saleslady at Neiman Marcus found out what Jacqueline Kennedy was going to wear the day of her arrival in Dallas. Mr. WILCOTT - They would have summaries of some sort. No doubt the police asked Shelley a lot of questions, and it is possible that they kept him in custody until he gave satisfactory answers. Mr. GOLDSMITH - During what years did you work for the CIA? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. When I got to the phone, two of the lines were lit up. Its perhaps a moot point anyway, because based on what youve told me, you now know more than I do. Roy Truly was, up to the time of his death in 1985, continuously frightened by "federal authorities." Towards the end of my tour of duty, I heard certain things about Oswald somehow being connected with the agency, and I didn't really believe this when I heard it, and I thought it was absurd. Mr. WILCOTT - It was a book that I had. After leaving high school he might have continued as an intelligence operative working undercover in local defense plants (plural) during the last months of the war. It was an infantry replacement center as well as a German POW camp. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What is the name of the book? Mr. CORNWELL - Do you remember anything about it? Mr. WILCOTT - No. If they do agree to be interviewed, they are truthful in what they say, except on one particular point: the year when they moved into the building. Learn more. Mr. CORNWELL - Let me rephrase it. It was only my personal
Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Then, by checking your records, which only went back thirty days, isn't it true that you wouldn't have gotten any information concerning Oswald anyway because Oswald had already been dead for one or two months? Mr. DODD - In. SILENCED! Mr. WILCOTT - No. Of all times to break down, my typewriter chose tonight to do it. [20] Before going up the stairs, Truly paused to tell Shelley to guard the stairs and elevators to make sure no one uses them.[21]. Mr. Shelly was Lee Harvey Oswalds supervisor at the time of the assassination of President Kennedy. Mr. DODD - And it is your clear recollection that he was described as an agent? Mr. WILCOTT - Gordon Finch. They told me that I had passed both of those. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Very generally now, what were your responsibilities as a finance employee with the agency? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. [23], The man using the pay phone was Shelley, for in an affidavit made out that same afternoon, he said, "I went back into the building [from outside where he viewed the shooting of the president] and went inside and called my wife and told her what happened. He also sent a copy of the letter from Blakey as well as a 1978 article from the Dallas Morning News concerning the aforementioned Carolyn Arnold, who states she definitely saw Oswald in the second-floor lunchroom at 12:25 pm. She told a reporter that the FBI falsified her statement to read that she thought she caught a fleeting glimpse of Oswald on the first floor at 12:15.. Mr. WILCOTT - Not publicly. Dean was the son of Elzie L. Glaze and Geneva I. Glaze and was born in Lubbock, Texas. Mr. WILCOTT - I was able to but I never did. Please publish modules in offcanvas position. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, it was my understanding that Lee Harvey Oswald was an employee of the agency and was an agent, of the agency. Mr. WILCOTT - That was November of 1977. The largest typical box for books measured 12 x 14 x 18 inches, was made out of cardboard, and when filled with books weighed 55 pounds. Mr. DODD - When did you leave to go back? Support JFK Facts Here's how you can help: (Whereupon, a recess was taken while the members of I the Committee went to the floor of the House for a vote.) Mr. GOLDSMITH - Why has it been difficult? Mr. DODD - I am a little confused, I suppose,
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