Honest , relevant and informative. Heel is kind of big for an oxford shoe it turns out, stick to a boot for this last. Main point, though, is that C&J, EG etc are different enough in quality to justify their price point in USD. In particular, if you're interested in this price bracket, check out, https://shoegazing.com/2016/08/12/review-crownhill-shoes-the-stewart/, https://shoegazing.com/2015/09/06/review-carlos-santos-7201-braga-cognac/, https://www.afinepairofshoes.co.uk/products/berwick-1707-penny-loafer-9628-dark-brown-suede?variant=19309209288766&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5ZCblaOs6gIVdBPTCh32aAttEAEYASABEgKcGvD_BwE, https://www.carminashoemaker.com/penny-loafers-brown-suede-80113, https://britishshoecompany.co.uk/collections/berwick-1707/products/berwick-mens-derby-leather-lace-up-shoes-5768-k6, https://it.velasca.com/collections/francesine-goodyear. Thanks Simon, great work as always. Perhaps other readers can. Rock Your Socks- show your sock, shoe & pant combos, *DROP 3/1* NWT $240 Ralph Lauren Purple Label Italian Made Navy Linen & Mulberry Silk Twill Neck Tie, * DROP 3/1 * NWT $225 Ralph Lauren Purple Label Italian Made Square Knit Solid Black Silk Neck Tie, R.M.Williams Comfort Craftsman Tobacco Suede UK 8.5 H. OGIO Golf Travel Bags The Royal Experience! Way too narrow and painful all around, last too tapered for my taste. Click Here to join Styleforum's thousands of style enthusiasts today! Comfy fit. But there is also some variation in what you get. I would caution anyone against reading the shoegazing blog. Seeing an article like this is refreshing, its nice to see PS being more inclusive by discussing products which are more budget friendly. I own several of the shoes mentioned in this article (Meermin, Allen Edmonds, Loake 1880, Carmina) and if theres one thing I learned, it is that: you cant buy Gold for the price of Copper. Suede. Sure David. Unfortunately almost all clothing has diminishing returns as you pay more, and thats certainly the case with shoes. Thanks Robin. Simon, I was wondering what are your thoughts on Sanders. They are never mentioning it, but the leather is bookbinded. So my true size is an 11.5, in most American boots I'm an 11, and all my boots with European sizing (like Tricker's) are a 10.5. Alden Plaza 9.5D: One of best fitting lasts, feels great. I'm not sure if this last has a particular name. in 9D my feet can slide right out. I recommend .5 down and just accepting that it is a wide pattern. Bored of counting likes on social networks? If you can spend that extra 100-150 I sincerely recommend buying a pair of shoes from Carmina or TLB Artista. Interesting ! Last month, Swedish shoe brand Myrqvist (above) sent me a pair of their loafers to try. The only running shoes for me. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. High Top vs Low Top Boxing Shoes: Which Is Best for You? But I am not a US citizen, at least no chauvinism involved. Noel it is precisely the point you make that has been behind my long standing decision to stay with C&J over all these years. But you might want to chat with Carmina first to double-check. Carminas just dont break down easily. MASSIVE. This is the next level down of Spanish brands, more on a par with the Swedish start-ups in terms of quality, but much bigger organisations. My experience with them has been very similar to yours, Felix. The Alden cordovan color of the shoe is achieved by a plastic pellicule which shaves rather quickly to reveal a light brown leather underneath. Crownhill is decent stuff as well, especially the material level for the price is good. Carminas are more expensive than Meermin shoes, but they are also more valuable. It may not display this or other websites correctly. To be clear, I dont know what they use. But whats my experience, and I know for many others as well who have good bespoke shoes, is that the experience of wearing them, with the snug comfortable fit, excellent arch support etc, widely triumph wearing RTW/MTO Goodyear welted shoes. Bespoke obviously solves this but I dont care enough about the other elements you get and pay for with bespoke, or perhaps I just think 2k+ is too much and I suspect (hope?) I find that you almost always get what you pay for when it comes to goodyear welted shoes and both of these shoemakers are a big step up from all the budget tier brands I have tried in terms of materials, fit, craftmanship and durability. And do you know any retailer in continental Europe who sells Anthony Cleverley? What I had in mind though was a roundup like this one with Jespers input. Leo 9E/9.5D: Bad fit. Styleforum is supported in part by commission earning affiliate links sitewide. Moderate arch. Job done. Rancourt 113 loafer: men's size 6D is pretty good Meermin Hiro derby: men's UK 4.5 wearable but the heel is . EL, I think you kind of answered the question in your first statement. The Rain 7.5EEE was okay but not great - more tight than comfortably snug, and I'm not sure if they would break in well for me. Wolverine 1000 mile 9D: Gusseted tongue made the break in a little hard at first, overall a bit narrow and snug in the waist, but a very comfortable fit when broken in. At least in the States, TLB comes in less expensive than C&J even after the customization upcharge and even if you select the higher-quality Artista line. Career and job listings in fashion, mens clothing, Reviews of Classifieds and classifieds sellers, No Man Walks Alone - Official Affiliate Thread (a.k.a. I think calling things cost-effective when you just mean cheaper would be a needless euphemism. CARMINA belvtor.by - CARMINA 100% 10016 U www.clinicarinologica.com - 6.5 CARMINA ecovitaconstrutora.com.br 17,500 . Over the course of the day they tend to pinch my toes rather than stretching to accommodate my feet, as my C&J and Weston do. For 200, its a really solid shoe. Please check Rafal's thread and patronize a true custom maker. Nice idea for a thread, but does anyone have experience with carmina's wide width options? They also have thin rubber soles throughout, which some people like more, but is cheaper as well.. Its just a selection of brands, and focus were on cheaper shoes than J. FitZpatrick (although he has a new lower-priced range coming). I once dumped a veritable fortune on a pair of bespoke Berluttis that caused me so much physical discomfort I was left with the impression they had been designed by the Gestapo. Certainly if I looked at them close up I could tell, and I could also tell if I was wearing them. Good arch support that's sculpted to he foot instead of the PNW Ladder rung shape. Viberg 1035 8.5: Its a great looking last, heel is massive. A lot of side to side play in the ankle. 14.3 22.carmima uk6.5 carmina6.5 meermin/ 26.5 carmina . Will post more fit notes when they arrive. Trickers 4497s: 8.5 is a little too short, while 9 feels too big in most pairs. 2030 last 9.5: Acceptable fit with tongue pad and thin socks. Meermin offers loafers in simple colours of black, brown, copper, tan, and navy. Nice to hear your journey Joshua. As someone with narrow feet, and unable to afford bespoke, this is a major bugbear of mine. Theyre all Spanish except Septieme Largeur, which is French but made in Spain. Second is a Loake 1880 snuff suede apron derby boot. I feel much less tired in my feet after a long day, and if one have a bit problematic feet it will be an even bigger difference. Fugashin is similar: the two are competitors in Vietnam. Most of my pairs are 9E, which need thicker socks to fit really well (E is the standard Alden width at most European retailers). As of late, I found that the cost differential between Crockett & Jones and Carmina has become more significant. Dress socks. That would be much less possible for me at higher price points. Leo 9.5E: Excellent fit with thin socks. **** Viberg Bobcats and Derby Shoes fit a bit larger in the same last compared to a service boot. There is one new Brand Lethato seen on different portals and I saw their boots are attractive and reasonably priced. It has a bigger heel and is slightly shorter than 2030, but not enough to warrant sizing up. I have been wearing several pairs for ~18 years without an issue besides replacement of a couple of degraded rubber heel soles. I just read on an Spanish forum that Meermin and Carmina used to buy together batches of leather from the same place. The dress shoes classics hold their own. I wonder how much more comfortable it would be. In that regard, let me plug TLB as a particularly sound value proposition. Easily the best of the budget shoes and whilst they dont match Crockett and Jones, they are not a million miles away. While I like the imperial range, I disagree that Cheaney are at a similar level to C&J; even to my untrained eye the upper leather doesnt seem comparable (scuffs more easily) and is thinner. To me, they have been 100% worth the money. Arch support was a bit painful the first wear but feels great after a few hours. Additional notes about feet:I was measured as 10.5D by an Allen Edmonds store associate several years ago. Additional notes: Heel-to-toe is 10, width on the border of D/E; heel-to-ball is 11. Thing is that, not referring to Berluti necessarily now, but we do see a number of very famous bespoke shoemakers, not least in England, who the past years have started to put out shoes that arent properly made and/or have a proper fit. Its just not possible.. I can only speak for Cheaney, but the staff were very helpful and there was a good range when I visited around 7 months ago. Im looking to acquire a couple of pairs of tassel loafers (one dark brown suede and one black calf). Simon: I understand that there are certain differences between more expensive shoes and less expensive shoes. JavaScript is disabled. I can fully close the balmoral lacing most of the way up for an ideal look. The price range for Meermin loafers is $165 for women and $175 for men. The Septieme Larguer felt very similar to the Andres Sendra from what I remember. Carmina shoes are better than Meermin shoes when all things are considered. Im a long term Crockett and Jones customer I buy main line and handgrade (I prefer the handgrade for the softness of the leather and the whole leather inner, which feels lovely). I started out with Allen Edmunds because they offer reasonably priced shoes (for Americans) with decent quality. They didn't gave Detroit EEE in stock so I couldn't try it. My favourite pair of C&J have been back to the factory four times for refurbishment. Great article I wonder what you think of the dilemma I currently find myself in?.. I have had to send back two pairs on separate occasions that both had massive construction errors. The alternative was to shut out the market of men with wider feet. Even so, I do believe that the Meermins are the best value-for-money among the shoes mentioned. Jesper's information was based on information by two Carmina retailers. 8 last 9D: Bad fit. I have to say that influencers, like Andreas Weinas, who keep plugging those kinds of brands using superlative language bear some of the responsibility for misleading people. Heel to ball fits much like Barrie 9.5D, with a tiny bit more volume, but toe box tapers more sharply from both sides. Decent fit all around and should break in nicely. They look nice to me, but as I have only been buying shoes from British shoemakers, I am unsure whether their last may look showy or unusual comparison. The class that you are getting for Carmina shoes is of real excellence. and a pair of natural CXL beefrolls were very loose I could slide right out of them. Carminas are more expensive than Meermins. Im going to give Cheaney (great value in the sales) a try instead. 511 last 10D: Bad fit. Thanks for an informative post. I would like to recommend Trading Post in Japan. What Id like to know is how much higher quality will the Trickers be over the Myrqvists? I'll try to be fairly comprehensive If one do good research ahead of placing an order (not just go by brand names and heritage, doesnt work anymore in the bespoke shoe world), choose a brand that suits ones style and preferences for shoes, the chance youll get your best shoes ever are very high. Im a student in Sweden and I have worn a couple of the brands mentioned in the article (and in the comment section) during the last couple of years. Related/unrelated, I find myself in flux style wise right now in the early stages of coming out of Covid. Doc Martens or Loake 1880 for Chelsea boots ? Well Id imagine the aim is to make more money, given that some will know the Cleverley name and want to buy into it. Comfortable out of the box and have continued to be excellent. Although the vast majority of my formal clothes over the last 40+ years have been bespoke, I have never seen or felt the need to go bespoke on shoes. There is a great day out to be had (or was) visiting the factory shops of the main makers in and around Northampton. Rancourt 114 9D: Great fit sometimes. If anything, I would say last and design are the least obvious things they are the easiest ones to mimic. Spain level 2: Berwick, Sendra and Meermin. These should fit TTS for people with higher arches but this last is definitely not for me. Jason: Thats a real shame. It will be creeping in going forward too, whenever it makes sense. Kenton 10D: Great roomy fit for boots with thick/medium socks; good snug fit for LWB with thin socks/sockless. Alden Barrie: I can be comfortable in Bluchers in 8.5E. Carmina vs Meermin: First glance Hard as rock! But it fits pretty good and I'd happily buy another pair of 1035. In addition they come in some very handsome styles. No more Stows for me. Carmina shoes are better than Meermin shoes. Carminas Quality Control is definitely another trait that makes these shoes better than Meermin shoes. By far the highest quality of any of the brands on this list (and in my opinion, the most elegant lasts). Allen Edmonds on the other hand has been declining in quality. NF Bootmaker 44: Tried these on and this was a great fit, a bit long length wise, but the boot is a smidge narrower and the waist is really tapered. In particular, if you're interested in this price bracket, check out his buyer's guide here. With TLB, you could choose a more versatile dark-brown calf, or perhaps brown suede but with leather soles. Similar wide heel to the 1035. Thursday Captain 9D: Felt too tight on the instep brand new. Still pretty good value (it is the company I originally used before I could afford better) but not nearly as good as it was some time ago. Thankfully, that isnt true of all high end companies that Ive experienced and, in general, I have found that the quality of the service matches that of the product. For me, wearing pair of good bespoke shoes feels much better and more comfortable in many regards, also when compared to premium Goodyear welted brands. After further research I stand by my words. When you see and feel the quality that you are getting with these shoes, Im sure that you will feel pleased with your expenses. To be honest, I wasnt impressed. They're also very flexible to work with. Customers love the shape of the Almond Toe-Boxes of Meermin shoes Many believe that that design adds well to the elegance of the shoes. And sorry for the long post, whenever I come across such I wonder whether the guy is a bit insane, but then, passion, what? to my eye, both look too large for you based on these pics. Unfortunately they offer less Goodyear welted shoes these days. While a bespoke suit might of course feel a bit better in how it fits and how you can move, it isnt really more comfortable and better for the health of your body compared to a midrange full canvas suit, in the same way as bespoke shoes. Carmina shoes are more comfortable, flexible, and relaxing than the Meermins. Slightly low instep and volume. TLB also has a new line called Artista*, which is a higher level of quality than any in this article. Everyone in London should visit John and ask for his advice on shoes. I just don't love Rancourt's boot patterns and overall build. Roomy toe box, heel is snug and hugs my foot all around. Click Here to join Styleforum's thousands of style enthusiasts today! Avoid if you have a low instep or wide feet. Thanks for the informative post. Even more troubling is that I found no review by an established website stating so. Thick, high quality leather, but without the supple stretchiness that C&Js and Westons uppers both have. The stitching on the soles is also less dense, though the soles do have some nice detailing like shaped waists and channeled soles, as you mentioned. Also I feel the toe space is a bit too narrow. I made the same experience with Bobbies shoes which ended in an oddyssey of sending shoes back and forth. My favorite last for standing long periods. 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